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Committee rules dogs as ‘dangerous,’ to be put down
by Josh Armstrong
Staff Reporter
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Josh Armstrong

Staff Reporter

DOBSON — The Dangerous Dog Committee ordered two dogs to be put down Wednesday, following an attack on an elderly woman as she accidentally visited their owners’ residence.

At 6 p.m., the committee met at the Surry County Health and Nutrition Center, room A33, to hear testimonials from the victim, Helen Glass, as well as the dogs’ owner, Ronnie Pack.

The incident occurred on March 1, when Glass mistakenly entered 132 Sugarbear Lane rather than her desired destination. As she walked onto the sidewalk, two dogs — described as “bloodhound mix and shepherd mix” — approached, resulting in Glass being bitten on her right lower leg.

“She was bitten horribly,” said Committee Chairman Jim Hazel in a post-meeting interview. “It’s a wonder she wasn’t killed.”

Thomas Williams, spokesperson for the health and nutrition center, added that Glass “is still bruised and suffering from her injuries.”

The dogs had up-to-date rabies vaccinations. Subsequently, Pack took the dogs to the veterinarian to be quarantined.

The five-member Dangerous Dog Committee declared the canines to be “dangerous” rather than “potentially dangerous” as they had previously been labeled.

It is unknown if the dogs already have been put down. “They don’t waste any time,” said a source wishing to remain anonymous. “I don’t know if the dogs are still around, to put it lightly.”

While attempts to reach Glass and Pack were unsuccessful, other citizens have voiced feedback on the ruling. Some are asking if the dogs were simply trying to protect their owner, since the victim was on Pack’s property.

“We had a decision to make. It was a hard decision. But I don’t regret it,” said Hazel. “If I’m going to err, I’m going to err on the side of the folks.”

Other reports question the certainty that each dog bit Glass, wondering why both animals needed to be exterminated. As to whether both dogs bit the victim, Hazel responded, “I don’t know. I assume so. But we felt like it was a gang kind of thing. I wasn’t there. All we had were the testimonies of the folks who were there.

“I had a choice to make. I made it. I have no regrets,“ he concluded. “I think the chances are pretty good that both animals participated in it. You make hard decisions. I don’t know of any reason I wouldn’t do the same again.”

Reach Josh Armstrong at 719-1921 or armstrong@heartlandpublications.com.

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bwilber
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June 11, 2012
Well first off it is sad that the lady was attacked, but what is the number one reason people get dogs? To protect them selves or their kids or their house! Right? Well these dogs have never been aggressive or attacked before, they seen someone coming towards their home they didn't know, & the purse deal weather she was swinging it or just holding it there the dogs would see this as a treat 2 them. & they acted on it. I have 4 dogs & 2 kids, & would like 2 see them try 2 put my dogs down if someone came in my yard, & if any of my dogs thought that person was there 2 harm me or my kids they would attack. & first off for any home owner u have 2 have insurance that covers if u have pets & someone comes in ur yard & ur dog bite's them, 2 pay their medical bills. So why is this not all the women done? Why did they have 2 kill the dogs? If ur kids get in a fight with another kid, & they get hurt bad do u try 2 have the other kid kill? NO u just sue them for pain & suffering & medical bills. This is a very sad story. To know that any time someone that is not welcome enters ur home or land & ur dogs attack that u could be facing them being put down. Why have them at all? I know why because they could be what stands between u living or dyeing if someone breaks into ur home.
@newsreader123
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April 07, 2012
A well-trained guard dog will bark until given the command to attack. These dogs snarled, circled and had a pack mentality that made them dangerous. This elderly woman's quality of life has been completely altered and fortunately for the dog owner, she is still alive. Most people in her situation would have sued the dog owners. I find it appalling that people place more value on the life of an animal than they do on the life of a human being.
NotBornButRaisedInSurry
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April 07, 2012
As unfortunate as it is that this woman was injured, she was essentially trespassing on property that advertised the presence of dangerous animals. The fact that she ignored the obvious warnings was not the owners, nor was it the animals fault. If someone choose to walk at the base of a cliff, that had signs warning of "falling rock", who would be at fault if they were struck by a falling rock- The land owner, the rock, or the individual who ignored the warning? I find it appalling that no one takes personal responsibility anymore. It's always someone else's fault.
NotBornButRaisedInSurry
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April 06, 2012
The way I see this is- This committee (appointed or elected by whom?), rather than have the dogs held until all the facts were established, decided too quickly to destroy another mans pet and property. So now I believe that the only way the truth will ever be discovered, would be for the owners to file an expensive lawsuit and make the joke of a "committee" compensate him. I feel like they are at least guilty of unlawful destruction of property; property that can never be replaced. What really frightens me is that they operated under the cloak of what we now know as " law and order". To see it in such blatency on a local level is truly frightening. I hope that something opens up the eyes of ordinary citizens soon. Who knows what is to follow....
hisdarling
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April 03, 2012
So if we have a dog that is protecting our property, the dog isn't allowed to even protect its property or its owners? hmmmmmm there is a lot of questions but im sure there will only be lies for answers
khewn
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April 03, 2012
Two years ago ( 2010 ) early one morning a vehicle drove onto our property. I followed behind it to see what they wanted. When it stopped an older gentleman got out, totally ignored me, and opened a haven to our pasture. Only when I, loudly, asked him what he was doing did he explain himself. He said he was working for one of the people running for county commissioner and he was there to put a sign up. I asked who have him permission and he said the property owner. When I told him he was in the wrong place he adamantly argued he wasn't. Then he produced a map to prove his point. Turns out he was a half mile off course.

He had driven part two posted signs and my house. My question is this.., Had the pony in the pasture ran him over... whose fault would it have been? I'm this case , at first, he couldn't be convinced he was in the wrong place. Do you really think my pony should've paid for his ignorance. I don't think so. He's lucky he wasn't arrested for trespassing or worse. This mistake was all on him. No one else would've been to blame.

I can sympathize with your emotions Miss. Childress... But, I can not agree nor understand your logic. Had this happened to anyone else, I truly believe you would be on the other side of this discussion. The decision made by the ' Committee ' was completely wrong. They know it and so do you. I do challenge our Elected Commissioners to come forward and address this matter. If I were Mr. Pack... I would find a capable lawyer and seek damages from all parties involved. I sincerely believe that the decision of the board had more to do with personal . connections to the event than anything pertaining to justice.

mwhi0222
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April 03, 2012
Ok so i think this 80 yr old woman should not be driving because i dont think she can see very good she got the wrong address there are a bunch of no trespassing and beware of dogs signs what is there not to get about a BEWARE of dogs sign that does not mean keep walking down the road to the house there are super nice dogs down there IT MEANS that there are dogs that might hurt you if you keep going the lady should of went back to her car and made sure that's where she was supposed to be going because it wasn't were she was supposed to be going I want to know how you mistakenly go down a long dirt road... Them dogs should of not been killed my dog has bit someone pretty bad i don't even think he has a knee cap left but that his fault for going in our yard but our dog did not have to be put asleep we just have to keep her on a leash now... and that's why i don't live in surry county
reavisy
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April 03, 2012
Khewn, I read your comment and agree totally, the citizens of Surry County as well as every other county in every other State in this nation needs to pay attention to this!! After reading this story and the comments I checked with a friend of mine who works with animal control. They stated that there had been no previous bites by the dogs or no non aggressive behavior. They did state they had received a complaint of barking, however, Mr. Pack had purchased bark collars for the dogs and that seemed to work. This worker also stated that neighbors new the dogs were very protective of their yard, but because of the fencing and underground fencing also that the dogs did not leave the yard. This worker also informed me that the neighbors who gave the woman the address were well aware of the dogs kept by Mr. Pack and the fact that the dogs protected the yard, the worker stated that he did not understand why they didnt give better directions or a description of the property, knowing that the neighbors had guard dogs it just didnt make any sense to him. My issue is with a committee of non experienced people deciding that a dog that was in my yard, on my private property, which was clearly marked and fenced did not have the right to bite an intruder. So, does that mean if I have a guard dog it couldnt bite someone that was there to break into my house? The dogs only knew this woman was a tresspasser, someone who didnt belong there. I think the dog owners of Surry Co and every other county should get together and demand to know their rights. I just can not believe this happened, I reread the story twich, thinking something must be wrong, they must have invited her or the dogs must have gotten out of the yard, or maybe they had several previousl bites outside the yard, but after talking to my friend who knew more of the facts, I was shocked to realize that the county has that much control. Why bother to fench any yards or have signs posted or anything if it ends like this. It seems the homeowner tried to prevent anything like this from happening by posting the signs and having underground and above ground fences, how could he possibly know that an elderly lady was going to wonder through his gate. So does that mean if i have a pothole in my driveway and I have my driveway marked with Do not Enter signs and No Tresspassing, but an elderly person wonders in anyway and falls and get a severe break, maybe needs extensive surgeries and I knew about the hole before hand, but just cautioned everyone that I INVITED over about watching out for it, does it mean I will get in trouble or have to have a paving crew come in and pave it. This decision does not make any sense and just thinking aobut it should scare every homeowner in the county. I truly think some type of committe should be formed to get to the bottom of who makes these decisions and what their experience is and to clearify what rights home owners in county have as far as their own property.
fox23
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April 02, 2012
First of all was you there? My mom was with my 3 month old. She might know just a little more then you, don't you think? And if they was behind the house how she hear them snarl? They don't snarl they bark. Why didn't she try walking back to the car when she seen them and heard them so called snarling? Another thing would you have them put down if a robber tried breaking in? It's the same thing. She should have not got out the car with the beware of dog sign. She took the risk. If you had dogs and they was protective and this happened would you feel the same?
julieechildress
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April 02, 2012
were you there? my grandmother was the one it happened to so i think she would know a little more then the lady inside the house. she's an 80 year old woman she tried to get back to her car once she saw them but it was a little late and i don't know if you know this or not but elderly people can not run away like you could. think about it this way, what if one day a few months from now when your daughter starts walking what if your mom weren't paying attention for a minute and your daughter walked outside and these dogs killed her? i am POSITIVE you wouldn't be standing up for the dogs in that case. what if this was Gods way of saving your daughters life? that's all im saying.
anonymous
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April 02, 2012
First how do you know what happened was you there. And if they was behind the house how she hear them snarling. My mom was there so she might know just a little more then you. Don't you think? And for your info them dogs don't snarl they bark. They didn't know who she was they did there jobs. Another thing should they be put down if a robber came and tried to break in? Its the same thing she should not have came on the property with the sign posted.
fox23
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April 02, 2012
Yea I bite was bad it was on my side. I had a hole 2 inches deep. One of the many holes my kidneys and internal oragons was in the picture I don't see how you say that's not bad. The old lady was dumb enough to get of her car halfway down the drive way and walk up to the side walk and when the dogs ran to her barking she started swinging her purse. That's not a smart move you think. And if the neighbor had a sign out yo there hair salon it wouldn't have happen blame them not the dogs for protecting what's theres. I have a Rottweiler and German shepard. And no one gets out unless they know its safe. They have common sense not to cause of the big barking dogs.
julieechildress
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April 02, 2012
well that's really terrible for you. but obviously there was a difference in the situations. and again they weren't out there when she got there they came from behind the house weren't barking they were snarling, who could here that in a car? not me. maybe you should get your facts straight as well. everyone on this website is assuming and that's what bothers me so much, not one of y'all know the actual story and what happened. she did not start swinging her purse she held it between her and the dog to try and keep them off her. your story is way off, so get some facts then come back and try to tell me they aren't dangerous dogs. thank God the people on that committee are on it since there clearly the only ones who have any respect for anything other than the dogs. and yeah she must not be the only dumb, common senseless person considering you've gotten attacked before, you think?
khewn
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April 01, 2012
“She was bitten horribly,” said Committee Chairman Jim Hazel in a post-meeting interview. “It’s a wonder she wasn’t killed.”

The fact that the lady was in the wrong place and got bit is horrible. But, Mr.Hazel, the wonder is in the decision you and your " Committee " made.

Wonder is a word we could use in a lot of questions about this incident. We can wonder what would have happened had she driven down the wrong lane on the interstate...

who would have been responsible? We can wonder... did anyone on your " Committee " even once consider the rights of the property owner? And,perhaps, we should wonder... just what qualifies you and your colleagues to make such rulings? Lastly, I wonder just who appointed you and who do I hold responsible for the actions you take?

Honestly, I do feel for the woman and her family for their misfortune. And I can assure you I am no animal rights activist an any stretch of the imagination. But, this is nothing more than making one person say for anothers mistake. There was no law broken on the part of Mr. Pack and his dogs weren't roaming the streets.

If anyone has been wronged in this episode it is him. Your decision was made based on nothing more than emotion and a bloated ego. Regardless of how or why the lady arrived at that home, the outcome lies solely with her and perhaps the person who gave bad directions. So now I must wonder some more... Had the act scratched her,

would your Committee have put it down. Had she fallen into pearthe prickly pear cactus... would you have sent someone to dig it up. And finally, Mr. Hazel... had she been a burglar that had gotten bit... would you have been the person who would've ruled in favor of the thief? I'm thinking you probably would have.

This is a serious matter. More so than many realize. Don't just brush this aside, for it is a blatant attack on the rights of all law abiding tax paying citizens. It is a very good point to bring up to the County Commissioners who are up for reelection.
rebelgirl71
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April 01, 2012
I am sorry the ladt got bit but I have 140 pound pit bull and 2 full blooded boxers and I DARE anyone to come in MY yard and not get bit. My dogs are very very protective of me and our house. Dogs have to be provoked in some way be4 they attack for no apparent reason. These dogs never shouldve been put down. Sounds to me like the owners of these dogs went by the law on everything. They had signs warning you not to enter the property and well Im sorry if you take it upon yourself to go in the gate then what happens is all on YOU and not the dogs nor the owners...
fox23
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April 01, 2012
I just wanna let y'all know that my little girl was there with her Grandma. Them dogs did there job by protecting them. I have been bit twice by two different dogs it does suck. But a SURRY COUNTY LAWYER told me all dogs get one free bite where was there free bite. This just show our messed up this county is.
julieechildress
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April 01, 2012
clearly you weren't bit as bad. hers was not just a bite. people have described this to look like a shark attack. the doctor said its the worst he's ever seen. what if your little girl had gotten hurt at the house and they had to call an ambulance? they wouldn't even be able to make it inside..you cant just have vicious dogs outside of a house to attack anyone who comes into the yard im sorry but you cant.
YadCo.
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April 02, 2012
Ms. Childress, I am sure if her little girl had of gotten hurt at the house and 911 was called the home owner would have been aware they were coming, in fact they would have pulled up with their lights and sirens on, they wouldnt have snuck up on the dogs. And in your previous statement, you said the people on here couldnt have known what really happened because they werent there. That is true, however you werent there either I dont think, so how would you know what happened. One thing we all do know that have ever visited that property, is that it is marked and has gates. The lady wasnt invited by the homeowner and the homeowner had no idea she was coming, she didnt pull up with sirens on or even think to blow the horn. I hate what happened, but she has some responsiblity in this matter. I think she should be held liable for the cost the homeowners suffered from keeping the dogs up and having them put down. After all it was her mistake that caused this whole incident to happen.
mareah0311
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April 01, 2012
This is perhaps the grossest display of power that I have ever heard of! I know this family and have interacted with these animals; they were wonderfully friendly after the owners would let them know that it was alright to be friendly and the owners are extremely responsible pet owners. The property is very well marked with plenty of warning signs about the animals as well as it being private property. I am willing to bet that the dogs were probably barking when the woman pulled up into the driveway, at what point does common sense begin to play a role around here? Dogs barking while I am sitting in a vehicle is a pretty good indication that I should probably stay in my vehicle. I am very saddened by the fact that this woman was injured but how can it possibly be determined that these dogs and the owners were at fault for it? If the animals were off the property and randomly went up and attacked this woman then yes, I could understand the decision, but they were protecting their home and family from a person that was NOT supposed to be there. That is what a dog is SUPPOSED to do!

Furthermore, the Dangerous Dog Committee? Seriously? Does Surry County not have more pressing issues that committees could be formed for? Who is this committee and at what point did this county take the decision out of the court's hands and put it into a committee's? Who sits on this committee and what education/experience do they have to make life and death decisions?

Bottom line is that when you pull into a stranger's driveway that has signs ALL OVER stating it is private property and warning you about dogs being on the premises and you CHOOSE to go forward anyway and then you make the DECISION to get out of your vehicle, then YOU alone are responsible for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that happens after that point! A responsible pet owner should not be held accountable for very poor decision making on the part of this woman. This is a blatant attack on the rights of homeowners to have dogs and to use dogs to protect their homes. This entire situation is very sad; sad for the woman who was bitten, sad for the dogs, and sad for these people that had done everything right and legal.

Putting these animals down is a gross injustice and it sets an extremely dangerous precedent. This committee and any others like it have entirely too much power if it can infringe upon the rights of citizens that have done nothing wrong.
hank6471
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April 01, 2012
I normally don't post things on these comment pages. But I just had to on this one. This was not the dogs fault and they should not have been put to sleep. The lady was wrong for being on the property whether it was an accident or not. I don't really see how it could have been an accident anyway since the property was posted warning people to stay out. There is NO way a reasonable person could blame this on the the dogs. Based on my almost 30 years of experience training many different large breed dogs for security, law enforcement, and humanitarian assistance while working with the Department of Defense and the Department of State around the World, I've never seen a dog attack without a reason. Something always causes a dog to attack. Its really sad this committee made up of individuals with such lack of knowledge on this subject made a decision to put those dogs to sleep. (I make that comment based on quotes made by Mr Hazel.) I also feel very sorry for the lady and it was bad that she was bitten by one of the dogs. But lets look at this as a whole. The property was posted warning people to stay out and warning them of the dogs. The lady ignored all the signs and entered the property anyway knowing there were dogs on the property. Based on her age she may not have understood or been able to read the signs but that does not make it the dogs fault that she entered the property. That is her fault. You have to be responsible for your actions. Things you do in life may cause you to get hurt. So as I see it this should have been a simple decision. The dogs WERE NOT at fault in anyway and should not have been euthanized.
YadCo.
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April 01, 2012
Our agency participates in a summer program for special needs and autistic children. Mr. Pack has invited our group to his farm for the past 2years, our participants enjoy viewing the large garden and seeing all the vegetable and fruits that are raised there. Each time we have been scheduled to visit, Mr. Pack's wife has advised us to remain in our vehicles until she comes outside to let the dogs know we are OK to be there. When we arrive at the gate, we have all observed the many signs posting, regarding private property, do not enter, no tresspassing, Beware of dog, etc. there are also camera posted on the gate entrances and a warning there.

Once we arrive and the Packs' greet us at our vehicles, we all exit, with the children from the camp and enjoy our day in the gardens, viewing the chickens and playing with the animals, dogs included. We have always known, because of the signs and warnings, not to arrive at the farm and exit our vehicles without the owners being present, once they are present and let the dogs know we are ok, then we have never had an issue and the dogs are very friendly.

I too regret that the lady was bitten and I feel sorry for her and all the pain she must be going through. My first thought upon hearing about this was, "How in the world could anyone enter that property by mistake" it is so clearly marked as Private. Then when I read her age I guess I understood that maybe someone of that age could make such a mistake, however while my heart goes out to her and her family, I can not understand how her mistake could result in the Dogs or the Owners of the Dogs being punished.
k hewn
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March 31, 2012
The fact that the lady was injured is unfortunate. But, that being said, she was on another persons property. Her mistake has caused someone else to say the cost. I do believe the commitee judged wrongly in this matter. The dogs in question were at home where they were supposed to be. The owner was more than likely no happier about her injuries than she was. But, he shouldn't have to bear the consequences for her actions. It would be different had the animals attacked her on the side of the road. I too would like to know just who this commitee is made up of and what their qualifications are to hand down judgement in matters that would normally be handled by the judiciary. Since they are under the direction of our County Commissioners, maybe we should ask them.
julieechildress
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March 31, 2012
debra holt, you are so incredibly rude. no she did not need glasses nor to be in a nursing home. she is and 80 year old woman in wonderful condition. her friend gave her and address to get her hair cut at someones house and since she had never been there before she pulled into the neighbors house. i love dogs and every type of animal and i would never wish death among them and still dont but the fact is she could have DIED. people like you disgust me. but she is healing quite well, she has multiple wounds but the worst is in a wound vac and will take a long time to recover fully. she is definatley stronger than anyone i know. but she is doing great for her condition! in case you wanted to know.

YadCo.
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April 01, 2012
I can understand her getting the address confused, but when you drive through a big gate, with signs saying, No Tresspassing, Do Not Enter, Beware of Dogs, Private Property, and with Camera's mounted on the brick columns. Why, would you assume you were at a public hair salon, and why would you get out of your vehicle, why not call to be sure you were at the right place, or sit in the car and blow the horn till someone came out and then ask them if it was the right place. Our childrens camp has been there several times, I dont see how anyone could mistake that place for a beauty salon. There is farm equipment and landscapping equipment and chicken pens everywhere. I feel very sorry for the lady, but I also feel that the dog owner and dogs should not be punished because the lady made a mistake, one that it's hard to imagine that any aware and responsible person could possibly make. Even when we were invited to the farm, we were hesitant the first time, thinking ,"Hey, this is really marked as private, maybe we are in the wrong place, and we called to be sure we were in the right place before driving up the driveway through the fence. I again hate it for the lady, but it was her mistake that caused this incident and all her pain, not the dogs or owners!"
debraholt
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April 01, 2012
NO...I'm NOT INCREDIBLY RUDE !!!!!

How did she go to the wrong address ???

Can she NOT READ ???

When your in a person's driveway and dogs are barking at your car, don't you THINK it's a good idea to sit there till someone comes out of their home to greet you !!!

Lets get real ..she should have never been out of the car !

Send her to Great Clips, they have a senior discount and the next time she won't get lost !!!
mareah0311
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April 01, 2012
It is sad that this woman was injured, and it is great to hear that she is progressing in her recovery. However, fact 1: SHE chose to go to a well marked property knowing that it was private property and that there were dogs there. fact 2: She CHOSE to exit her vehicle without knowing for sure what was outside of said vehicle. fact 3: She was bitten by A dog that was protecting its home and family, which incidentally is precisely what a dog like that is used for.

No one is saying that it is not a tragedy; it is a tragedy for everyone involved. However a dog should not be put down for doing it's duty and owners should not be held responsible for someone being injured on their private property when she was not supposed to be there and there were ample signs to mark the property and warn people of the animals. This is yet another instance in which the politics of our society have grossly infringed upon the private rights of citizens.
julieechildress
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April 01, 2012
haha wow. yeah, actually you are. its very inappropriate what you keep saying about her age. extremely immature and that's coming from an 18 year old. and how old are you exactly? at least everyone else has respect for her. obviously this isn't what anyone wanted for the dogs even i wish they hadn't of decided to put them down. and when she pulled in there were no dogs in the front, none barking so maybe you should get your story straight. it wasn't until she got out of the car and started walking up to the house that the dogs came from behind the house and attacked her. maybe if this had of happened to your grandmother you would think differently about this whole situation.
julieechildress
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April 01, 2012
haha wow. yeah, actually you are. its very inappropriate what you keep saying about her age. extremely immature and that's coming from an 18 year old. and how old are you exactly? at least everyone else has respect for her. obviously this isn't what anyone wanted for the dogs even i wish they hadn't of decided to put them down. and when she pulled in there were no dogs in the front, none barking so maybe you should get your story straight. it wasn't until she got out of the car and started walking up to the house that the dogs came from behind the house and attacked her. maybe if this had of happened to your grandmother you would think differently about this whole situation.
debraholt
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March 31, 2012
This is wrong !!!!

This old woman was on someones property and DID NOT belong there.

It's getting to the point in Surry County that you as a homeowner can't own dogs because of stupid people like this !!!!!

Also, how can a person NOT KNOW they are at the wrong address, does she need glasses or need to be in a nursing home ....

And who is on this Dangerous Dog Committee ???

is it the same people who crawl thru your window at night or their family members, going to rob you blind....That's why people have dogs !!!
HELLFIRESIMON
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March 31, 2012
Did the dogs have a history of attacking people?

One incident should not mark the dogs as dangerous.We should all park our cars,sell our guns they are dangerous.Last but not least our local goverment and people on thease committes are VERY DANGEROUS!
k hewn
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March 31, 2012
Intentionally or Not, the lady was trespassing and the dogs were at home. This is a gross violation of property rights and bad judgement on the part of the committee.
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